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  1. MetSox

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    Throwing this here to make it easier to link articles and for you guys to give feedback. Also because we're a week into the season and have already had 3 board posters publish under the DS banner, which I couldn't be prouder (or more thankful) for. Thanks to DrachenFire for today's SJU/Drexel preview

    http://dragonsspeak.blogspot.com/2015/11/st-josephs-university-pregame.html
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  2. MetSox

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  5. MedicSBK

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    What is discipline? How does one create a discipline basketball team?

    I've seen Bob Hurley coach and he's tough on his players when they deserve it. He's always been tougher on his BETTER teams in an attempt to keep them from getting a big head. Bruiser, on the other hand, gives out the occasional low five when a player comes off the court but if you're a Drexel player being subbed out, chances are its because you did something wrong.

    To me discipline comes down to the following actions, and here is how I see the team this year:

    Foul shooting - We are shooting in the 60% range. This is not the first time a Drexel team has done this. Years past, they've been just terrible.
    Late game plays - Case in point: Tavon Allen's inbound turnover that featured him throwing the ball out of bounds on the sideline from the touch line.
    Keeping calm - When pressured, these teams have always seemed to crack.. I can't explain it completely but it just always seems to happen.

    Hurley yells at his kids. Knight yelled at his kids. I'm sure Coach K yells at his kids. Bru yells at his kids. What's the difference between all of these coaches? It seems like ALL Bruiser does it yell at his kids, pull them, give them "the stare" and bench them.

    Disciplining your players and producing disciplined players is not the same thing. It is a shame that Bruiser cannot understand that.

    On another side note, I saw at least four instances (Abif, Mojica, Tavon and Terrell Allen) who looked at a screaming, tantruming Bruiser Flint on the sideline palms up as if to ask "What?" The lack of communication from the bench to the court, and the mental errors that I see this team commit might be THE most enraging thing that happens in a Drexel game.
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  6. MetSox

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  7. dan10

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    Always appreciate the work you do MetSox, and adding others from this board and the like, have just added to that. Good work all around. In all seriousness you cant tell me you can read the title of that article with a straight face or without laughing. The title is actually one of the long underlying problems with Brusier (which I am well aware everyone already knows), he does not change. No. Matter. What.

    The rules could dictate a 10 second shot clock and we will rush it up the court to make sure we get our dozen handoffs at the top of the key before firing up a shot. They could change the rules on defense where all contact with reaches,body checks etc would result in a foul and we will still play hard-nosed man-to-man with hand checks and body checks and then berate the officials for calling fouls.
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  8. MedicSBK

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    Nice to see somebody understood my choice of title!
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  9. DrachenFire

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    Good read. Maybe I'm just imagining things, but there have been times this year where I feel like we've gotten out of the weave and heave on offense. I know, especially in the SJU game, I found myself asking if we were showing a different look on the offensive end. Maybe it was because 50% of our shots were at the rim in that game. I know I recognized it more against Monmouth and that had our lowest percentage attempted at the rim at 20%.
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  10. MedicSBK

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    I missed the SJU game because of other commitments. In the High Point game I saw a few pick and rolls. We know what the outcome was for a few of those and it was not pretty. I did not see many, if any, in the Monmouth game. It will be interesting to see where they go moving forward.

    The other disturbing thing is I cannot remember a Drexel team who knew what a backdoor was beyond a way to sneak out of practice when Bruiser gets mad. The backdoor cuts just don't ever happen. And that is not an exaggeration. If the ball is on the right side of the court the set will be on the right side until the team swings it to the left. Ugh.
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    This team would be way better off if they went with the premise of the movie Eddie. Take a random fan out of the stands and let him coach. I would actually watch the games if MetSox and Medic were drawing up plays.
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  13. dan10

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    Any chance we leave the team in Alaska until they learn how to play to their talent level?
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  14. DrachenFire

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    When he sends out an email looking for help I generally start writing something to see if I can get in a zone and will then offer it up to him and finish writing. So when he sent out an email yesterday I started doing just that, but he had his almost written before I got back to him. He went a little easier, here was my opening:
    I agree with everything he says. They are a small team (kenpom has us a full foot taller on average) and their interior defense is actually worse than ours and they don't force turnovers. There is absolutely no reason to do anything other than pound them down low. I hate to say it, but this should be an easy game for us if we clean the offensive glass, don't have any boneheaded turnovers and don't send them to the line.

    Siberia is basically right next door; if they lay an egg, put Bru on a chunk of ice, break it off and send him on his way.
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  15. dan10

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    Of course we could just practice our cuts and screens out on the ice. Maybe learn a little bit of defense without holding or hand checks. Naturally they have to be dressed in normal basketball attire or else they wont figure it out very quickly. Or they can always just start out with a nice snorkeling trip to bond there, that should do the trick!
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  16. MetSox

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    Thanks for posting the preview for tomorrow's game (it's been slightly edited at this point). The DragonsSpeak "staff" of awesome volunteers is stepping up and we're going to try to cover every game this holiday weekend. I'm continuously amazed by how awesome our small fanbase is. Can really cover some ground when we work together, and I'm very much thankful to be able to get the assistance of that untapped resource.

    Lets be honest, I'd be right there with Bru with X's and O's. I'd leave the plays to Medic just advising him on what I expect to get out of each play. Offensive coordinator approach. Hire Bru as the defensive coordinator/ opposition video specialist, and when needed, step in and call zone. DrexelJay coordinates recruiting/events/paraphernalia.

    Mike Connors retains his current primary roles of scheduling and making sure the Head Coach doesn't get ejected.

    Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
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  17. drexelJay

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    MetSox... As you know, I have become quite an expert in the "removal of incompetent sports management" field! Lol... I will leave it up to you to tell me when you want me to get involved over here.
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  18. MetSox

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    Here's Eric's postgame from Asheville for those who didn't stay up and or those who did, but hate themselves enough to want to read about this monstrosity too. http://dragonsspeak.blogspot.com/2015/11/unc-asheville-postgame.html

    I said this last night on twitter, but if you can in the archive, listen to Bru with Rob Brooks on the postgame. I've never heard the guy sound this beaten down. It hurts.
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  19. drexelJay

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    Can't believe we lost to Ashville... Smh...

    So now for a no-joke, real question for Metsox... If this season continues down this path, please handicap the odds on whether or not this will finally be the year we make some changes.

    Give me odds on:
    1. Bru fired
    2. Zillmer fired
    3. Bru & Zillmer fired
    4. Same old Drexel
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  20. MetSox

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    The Walush wrote up yesterdays game for the blog. It's tough to write preview and wrap for each game when they start as late as midnight, theyre on consecutive days and it's a holiday weekend. I want to publically say thanks to DBall and The Walush for their help to make that happen and ensure all games would have full coverage. Also thanks to MedicSBK who already has a picce qeued up for next week.

    Awesome team that's coming together, and by the by, Drexel fans are welcome at this table, regardless of their views. All we ask is that you back up what you write with hard facts.

    Here's last nights review, today's preview will be up in a few hours: http://dragonsspeak.blogspot.com/2015/11/drexel-alaska-post-game-upset-to-no-one.html
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  21. MedicSBK

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    GREAT write up... Its so neat seeing everyone's views. And yes, I am biased because I write but still..
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    I will say it again... This blog is the most entertaining thing about DU hoops.
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  24. MedicSBK

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    Great write up.. There are two points that I disagree with.

    First the mild one: "Beyond that, the current players (see: Mojica, Sammy and Allen, Terrell) have much longer for people to whisper thoughts of transferring in their ear, making it much more likely they leave the program."

    I'm concerned about keeping them NOW. They're treated like crap, and are playing for a losing team and Terrell Allen has been one hell of a bright spot this year. When he got benched in the Monmouth game, his body language did not suggest somebody who was remorseful. His shirt was untucked, and he was sitting back, disengaged from the rest of the game as if to say "one play? Look at everything else that I've been doing." That's not what these kids need. They're going to screw up they're a young team. You can yell at them and break them down, but you have to build them back up. (Teaser for my post this week at Dragonsspeak.blogspot.com)

    Secondly: "He has them taking the correct shots"

    Yes and no.. The "Bigs" were 4-14 against UAA and 6-13 against UNCA. While the UNCA % was much better, 13-14 shots are NOT where this team needs to be especially with Tavon continuing to streak through the season like Will Ferrell on his way to the quad with a 9-37 clip through his last three games. The team's guards are shooting almost three times as many shots as the Bigs. That needs to change.

    The guards can slash all that they want, and go to the hoop, but with Terrell Allen going to the hoop as much as he is, he needs to make more free throws. And don't get me started on every time I watch Tavon and his pipe cleaner legs head for the basket and land on the court. It's a matter of time before he is hurt like he was last season, and forced to stay on the court and play hurt by his coach, like he was last season.

    Its time to adapt or move on.
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    I'll agree on one of two.

    Disagree with you on the transfer thing. I understand fear after Lee, but when people have needed to sit a year in order to leave, no one of substance has ever left. Bru keeps his guys around, despite us often seeing the mannerisms you speak of.

    I was probably quick and way too easy on saying "he has them taking the correct shots". They're going in, so thats an easy call, but the numbers don't work out to show that. Only thing I will say is that they consider rodney hooks as jumpers and obviously we've seen a lot of those so the numbers may be slightly off. http://hoop-math.com/Drexel2016.php
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    Hard to say whether the substance thing is true or not, but we have had quite a few transfer out, some too quick to tell if they were good or not. This is just the list from my memory since I have been following Drexel, I am sure I have missed one or two.

    Out: Rob Hampton, Lance Feurtado, Adrian Hynes-Guerry, Shannon Givens, Casey Carroll, Aquil Younger, Damion Lee
    In: Evan Neissler, Freddie Wilson, Chandler Fraser-Pauls, Ahmad Fields
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    Leon Spencer
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    I dont consider him a transfer since
    I dont consider him a transfer since he was a prep college first, which is really like taking an extra year before college to become college-ready. Since they do I guess we have to. I did consider him.

    Looking at the list MedicSBK posted I did miss a few especially recent ones like Ronald and Khris Lane. Also said the wrong Hampton that transferred. Forgot where all of our walk-ons came from or how many years they spent here, which I guess is not that hard to keep track of honestly. Regardless it is still a pretty large number we deal with regularly. Still hard to say some of the quality leaving with little to no court time. But obviously the best transfer in so far was Leon and outgoing was Damion but I do find it concerning the numbers going in and out from year to year. Since Bru has been here there have only been a few years where there were none and most of them are earlier in his tenure.
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  30. MedicSBK

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    I'd put Mejia up on that list of people who were good "ins"

    Best ever though was Holden.
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